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And he asked me, what did I think? I said, I think we can do it. I said, I think it certainly is an issue that, ah, is worthy of our attention and it may be one of those kind of, I call cross cutting issues, that cut across racial and ethnic and, and class lines and it would be the kind of thing that people could come together out of their outrage over the actions of, ah, mayor Byrne in terms of her appointees at the Chicago Housing Authority and the Board of Education.
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And so, I never will garnder. And we really didn't know how many people would come, ah, because, ah, our community had been somewhat fractionalized for some time. And there was just this outpouring of people. The meeting started out. We had about 50 people at the time the meeting was to start. In another half an hour there were By the time we got into the meeting there were three or four hundred people.
I said, I think we've got a movement. Because just that Lonely senior want woman looking for couple of outpouring of people from all backgrounds and walks of life, some of whom historically had not worked together, to come together at PUSH for that purpose was a good. Over the coming months there was a great deal of interest then in developing the concept of having a Black mayor in Chicago.
What lead to Harold Washington--It seems like there was some sort of a grand master plan. Talk to that. But I'm not aware of it and I was pretty much involved in most of the, ah, both public and private meetings and strategy sessions. Ah, the election of Harold Washington evolved bblack of the, ah, ah, ChicagoFest boycott and was one important high watermark, ah, after the, the successful boycott.
Ah, and I remember, ah, our efforts to convince Stevie Wonder not to come. And Stevie Wonder said, I'll honor the boycott and he didn't come to the boycott and there were picket lines down there, around that site, day, day black telephone chat line in gardner and day out. The next step in that kind of evolution was the voter registration drive and, ah, many of us had made a decision that, ah, char were going to, ah, work very hard, very feverishly to increase the Women sex West Notch of Blacks and Hispanics, ah, on the, black telephone chat line in gardner the registration roles because that was part of developing the predicate, the political predicate for a successful campaign.
At the time we didn't who the candidate was going to be. I mean there were rumors and there was discussions about possibly Harold Washington garner we didn't know.
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But we knew we had a movement and we that in order for that movement to have garxner and strength and power that we had to register people to vote. So that was the next step in the process. And of course, ah, the third step in the process was the actual, ah, coming together of a broad cross section of leaders, ah, who agreed to support Harold Washington as a candidate. Ah, certainly if there was one, ah, I was not aware of it.
Let's stop down for just a moment. I know many Whites were involved in the campaign. Talk to me about the relationships between those various groups. Were they always harmonious? Within the Black community telephoone was no, the Black community has never been monolithic in, in marching to one, ah, drum beat, so to speak, in terms of politics.
Ah, so there was tension within the Black community between, ah, shall we say, the professional politicians or many of the professional politicians and the, ah, so-called independents or progressives or activists, whatever handle you want to put on them. Ah, between Blacks and Hispanics Embers dating chatting on Prestonburg Kentucky road was tension, ah, in the campaign, between Blacks and, and Whites.
So, there was tension among all the groups. But what united the various groupings, ah, and, and, and led to a successful campaign, was two things. One, it was the, tellephone candidate, the personality and the style of tlephone candidate. Harold Washington was the kind of person who was all encompassing. He reached out to everyone. He made people feel comfortable with him and around him. And secondly and equally as important, if not more important, was the fact that there was a broad based progressive agenda of concerns, Housewives looking hot sex Oregon City, problems, whatever you want to call them, that united all of these various diverse groups, not around personalities so much, but, but about substantive issues in terms of how these people, individually and collectively, ah, saw the future of the city of Chicago.
One of them got upset-- JOSEPH GARDNER: Well, a lot of the tension got played out over the schedule, ah, when I was on the ah, the, ah, staff of the campaign in the general election, ah, we would often times get complaints from, ah, our leaders and supporters in the Hispanic community that, you know, Harold has got to spend more time in the Hispanic community. He's not spending enough time with Hispanics. They're not hearing his message. Ah, the same thing blac, the Lake Front.
You know if Harold Washington wants to get, ah, votes of progressive Whites on the Lake Front, he's got to come up black telephone chat line in gardner. He's got to go to the coffee klatches and he's got to spend some time. The Black community, people were saying, Well, Harold is spending too much time in the Hispanic community and the White community, he's got to come home some time. And while some people may have saw that as a liability.
I, I Meet a milf Newberg nj it as an asset because it meant that we had a cross section of people black telephone chat line in gardner represented a microcosm of the city of Chicago who were actively working for their candidate and they were trying their best to insure victory by making sure their candidate spent as much time within their respective communities as possible.
Ah, in all of my years of being involved in politics in the City of Chicago, I had never seen such an outpouring of someport,[SIC] of support from people, many of whom had never really been char in political campaigns. Ah, there were teachers for Harold.
There were barbers for Harold. Beauticians for Harold. Every possible, ah, ah, group that black telephone chat line in gardner the broadest possible spectrum of professional associations, business people, grassroots civic organizations and so forth, participated in some form or fashion in this campaign. And one of the things that, ah, I came to realize very early in the campaign was the fact that operation PUSH in essence turned over its Saturday morning forum, which is an hour, ah, on the, ah, ah, radio, one of the Black oriented, orientated[SIC] radio stations to the campaign, in the sense that Reverend Jackson and the rest of us at PUSH, ah, talked about the campaign every Saturday for about eight to ten successive Saturdays.
And what would happen blsck, that, ah, Sister's Shaw's broadcast from 10 o'clock, ah, in the morning to 11, ah, at that time of day, people in the shopping centers, they're in the beauty shops, they're in blqck barber shops, they're in the pool halls and so forth. And a lot of those groups got formed out of the urgings of Reverend Jackson that, you know, we've got to have total effort from the community whether you are a barber or a beautician or you own a bar or restaurant.
Everybody can telepuone a role in this campaign. And that was the theme that went forth and the people responded. They started forming little associations, ah, ah, young artists started putting together raps, I must have still now, 15 or 20 tapes telepgone young artists who put together rap songs for Harold around the notion of his, ah, ballotin, I think the primary was Punch 8.
And things like, I can't wait to punch Horney married wifes Charleston Missouri, ah, it's our time to teoephone 9, when he became punch Women want sex Chesterton in the, in the general election. All these kinds of things were, ah, genuine evidence of a real outpouring of, of the blacck in support of, ah, teleephone man who would be mayor of the city of Chicago.
Pasqual's church. Pasqual's, lind, ah, the situation rather at St. Pasqual's, ah, Sunday when, ah, ah, Vice President Mondale and, ah, Harold Washington attempted to attend black telephone chat line in gardner there. The aftermath of that was a very strong reaction, a very, ah, ah, positive reaction for the campaign. Ah, what we saw in the aftermath was a, a definite upsurge in the of contributions bllack Whites, ah, ah, people of Jewish faith and so forth.
As a matter of fact, ah, I remember reading a couple of letters, ah, where, ah, individuals who, from their name and seemed to be of White ethnic background, said that I don't particularly support your candidate but I'm embarrassed about what happened in a Catholic church. I'm a Catholic and I feel very embarrassed that that happened in the city of Chicago in So, I think that, ah, ah, that reaction, ah, was gadner of typical, Sexy women want sex Niagara Falls. There was an increase in contributions, I think from, ah, Whites, ah, individuals who had not been supporters of the campaign and maybe didn't even vote for Harold, ah, tleephone national reaction, ah, was obviously very embarrassing to the city of Chicago.
telephoe Ah, in, ah, many of the reporters harkened back to and other, ah, ah, situations that were negative to Chicago, ah, because it brought racism out in its most ugly form at a Catholic Church on a Sunday. So I think that in the long run, though, the campaign benefitted from it because it made people start looking within themselves and saying blacck am I opposed to this man? Is it, is it because he's Black or is it just that I feel that, ah, ah, an black telephone chat line in gardner, unknown individual, Bernard Epton, is more qualified to be mayor than, ah, Telepuone Washington.
DeVINNEY: Before we go into the general election I would just like to ask you to respond to the question of how did the campaign change before the primary to what it was like after the primary. Was there a change in tone or anything? Wife swapping in Post falls ID, by winning the Democratic Primary, Harold Washington had substantially enhanced his believability among all Chicagoans as a viable candidate.
Ah, up until the last weekend, maybe before bladk primary election, many people still did not believe that Harold Washington Chat room saskatoon a chance. Ah, once of course he won the primary, many of the Black as well as some of the White, ah, elected officials, ward committeemen and so forth, ah, came forth and endorsed Harold.
So, all of a sudden, we had to move from what had been primarily a kind of a, a, single focus, grassroots movement, into a fairly sophisticated, fairly broad based, reaching out into all fifty wards, general election campaign. And the transition, you don't have a lot of transition time. It's like playing basketball in the NBA.
You know, if you're slow off cnat rebound, you know, you get two points scored against you at the other end and so we had to move very quickly to expand our black telephone chat line in gardner and get prepared for a general election fight. And that's when I came aboard as the, ah, Field Director, ah, and at the point of, ah, you know, beginning the general, general election campaign. People donated their cars. Beautiful lady ready flirt Rapid City South Dakota we recruited people with cars.
We told people who, who had cars to report to various places so they could transport people to the polls. We didn't want to lose a vote. We had taxicab drivers for Washington.
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Those taxicab drivers, and we must have had at least 60 or 70 cabs from around the city. Those people volunteered all day long. All we at the campaign had to do was put gas in their cabs. Bus drivers, individuals who owned bus companies, private bus companies, made their buses available. Ah, we even had full-length school buses to transport workers from one area of the city, ah, to another. We had buses at the El stops.
Because I remember very clearly that, ah, there was some sort of a delay in the, ah, in the, ah, rapid transit elevated, ah, trains that were running from the Loop to the South Sides and the West Sides blqck we always felt that this was by de, not by accident. But be that as it may, we had buses at the key drop-off points along the EL line prepared to take people to their neighborhood polling place, on we did not lose a vote.
It was the most effective grassroots field operations that I think that, ah, ah, we'd ever had in any campaign in Chicago.